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thanks for both you help and advice. i have tried the power management thing since, but still no joy. it may be the hard drive though, i think its a software issue. i have tried to install memory since, and get a white screen ith ' illegal operation' etc is this because the memory is...

model is 14" 1.67ghz the model just before the macbooks came out i think problem first started last year just once, it started up with a sound thats something like a hoover/vacum cleaner but not as loud of course, lasting 5 seconds, then you hear the typical mac sound for start up. it didnt...