Sorry theed, but in my opinion you dont know what your talking about
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"sorry, mozilla still blows. I can do html for IE, I can do html that is standards compliant and displays flawlessly on iCab, Omniweb, and Opera. If I try real hard, I can get pages that do both just as i want. Unless Mozilla starts conforming to one of those two categories, it's going to continue to be ignored by web developers."
the code you are writting for IE *isn't* standards complient. Omniweb is a nice browser but it does not render standards complient code. I'm a web developer, I'm not ignoring it. If people would stick to standards then web developers and user would be much better off, instead people just use IE's *standards*.
"They spent years rewriting their code base, and now they have the same thing they had before, only a few less years of life left. They should've done something else entirely. Rewriting was the worst mistake the mozilla crew made. Rewriting it the same way and keeping the same old render flaws was the second biggest. I'm not holding my breath for Mozilla."
They dont have the same thing they have before. They have a FAST rendering engine that renders so much more then old versions did. It supports basically FULL CSS 1 and CSS 2 (you can't say that about IE), a good javascript engine and a whole bunch more cool stuff for web developers (DOM etc.). They didn't keep the same old rendering flaws. That is complete BS. Mozilla renders pages *way* better then NS 4.x. Thats an uniformed thing for you to say. Also Mozilla renders so much more then IE could dream of rendering. For instance did you know that Moz can render transparency in web pages?
I like netscape, they have a fond place in my heart. But no matter how much I want to like mozilla, it's still just wrong.
Just out of interest when was the last time you tried mozilla? I admit that yes it did "blow" in the past, but recently it is great. Its fast, it renders things the way I want it too and its stable. I have absolutly *no* problems with sites that dont render properly. they all look fine in mozilla. I can' say that about Omniweb and icab. You say that you are using icab. icab has a much poorer rendering engine then Mozilla. It isn't as fast and it chokes on many things.
Try a new version of mozilla and then make a judgement. And dont try it look at the interface and throw it out the window. Anyways if you download one of the newer nightly builds you will notice that mozilla now is starting to use an aqua interface. And this is real aqua being drawn by the OS. They haven't got all parts aquified yet, but it is a work in progress.
If you want to support a true alternitive to IE then Mozilla/netscape is it. Try it!
BTW: I may have sounded harsh in this message, but i just think that you need to give mozilla a better chance.
googolplex
P.S. Here is the URL for the newest (as of today) and aquified Mozilla build:
http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla/nightly/latest/mozilla-macosX-trunk.smi.bin