Why? Making a statement like that with no explanation may cause several novice users to ditch something for reasons that you might find compelling, but that they may not care about. Can you elaborate? While I don't typically rush to install Microsoft products on my Mac or PC, I do like Entourage, despite its little quirks. If you have a real reason that I should ditch it, I'd like to be more informed so I can decide. Thanks.MisterMe said:Word to the Wise: If you don't have an Exchange account, then you should drop Entourage like a bad habit.
I don't connect to an Exchange server, but I haven't found Entourage to be a problem with anything, really. Frankly, I like the integrated task list functions, and calendar, though I think they could both be better. I also like that you can tie email into tasks, which can be tied into projects. In terms of delivering my mail across about 20 different accounts, it does a very good job, and the rules system for moving mail to various folders is also something that liked with Outlook back in the days when I used Outlook. I wish it had Spotlight support, and I wish it had smart folders, like Apple's Mail. I haven't given Mail enough real use to evaluate it, but, from what I saw, it seemed to be lacking some of the features that I liked in Entourage.MisterMe said:Admittedly, it is a a slow week. But a search of this forum will reveal that there are stretches when a new thread each day related to one or more problems with Entourage is created. I have participated in quite a few of these threads but never started one. What MacOS X users need is a port of Outlook, even if it is limited like the last version (Outlook 2001) to accessing Exchange servers exclusively. Instead, the Microsoft Business Unit foisted a bloated POS on its customers that is not terribly good at anything, but is bad at a lot of things.
Is there a reason why you should not use Entourage? Yes, there is. An email client has the primary purpose of delivering your mail from your mail server to your computer. In my experience, Exchange 2004 will conceal mail that Apple's MacOS X Mail client reveals to be on the server. If email is mission-critical to you, it is not safe to use Entourage exclusively. You need to run another mail client in parallel with Entourage to ensure that you are not missing important messages.
To each his own, I suppose. For me, an email program is supposed to deliver my email. If it doesn't, that is pretty much a dealbreaker. Do you have any idea how many messages you are sacrificing for the ability to organize the rest?dmetzcher said:....
Some will argue that an email application should do one thing, and do it well, and that's deliver email. That's a valid point, but I tend to like an app with features that help me organize the many messages I receive daily. In most apps, I tend to only want one or a few features done perfectly, but with email, I expect a bit more....
No.barryrueger said:.... and can it also import an Outlook PST file from Windows?
None. If what you say is true about Entourage concealing mail on Exchange servers, this doesn't actually affect me, but I find it strange that Microsoft's own product conceals mail on their server platform that Apple Mail reveals. If this is a real issue, I'd have to agree with you that Entourage certainly has issues that need to be resolved in order for the product to be viable. To answer your real question: I would not sacrifice getting my mail for being able to organize it. But, on the other hand, I get too much mail, and might be happy if Entourage lost a few messages for me.MisterMe said:Do you have any idea how many messages you are sacrificing for the ability to organize the rest?
Oh, no! Microsoft would never sell a product that is incompatible with other products in its own product line On a serious note, my firm has also implemented web access to its Exchange server. I ensure that I am not missing anything by periodically checking the web client. In the past, I simply ran Mail in parallel with Entourage 2004. This is no longer possible since our IT staff "upgraded" our Exchange server rendering it incompatible with Mail. This exchange has dealt with the issue of getting email from Exchange via Entourage. While not dealbreakers, Entourage 2004 has other problems that are mind-boggling in their stupidity. I said it before and I will say it now: "Mac users need a working MacOS X port of Outlook. Entourage 2004 should be cast onto a dungheap."dmetzcher said:.... I find it strange that Microsoft's own product conceals mail on their server platform that Apple Mail reveals. If this is a real issue, I'd have to agree with you that Entourage certainly has issues that need to be resolved in order for the product to be viable.
Yes, it is true that Apple added Exchange settings to Mail with MacOS X 10.4. Prior to MacOS X 10.4, Exchange users were forced to use IMAP when accessing their email. It is also true that Microsoft added Exchange settings to its POS with Entourage 2004. Up through Entourage v.X, Exchange users were forced to access their email via IMAP--just like they did with Mail.dmetzcher said:Also...
Didn't Apple's Mail app just start fully supporting Exchange as of OS 10.4? "Better connectivity" or something...I don't remember. I just remember reading something about issues with Mail and Exchange being resolved in 10.4, so someone else can fill in the blanks.
What are you talking about: "...it scares me when it boots..." ??Dj macintosh said:Do not use entorage(sp) it sucks because it scares me when it boots and just use mail apple are better programmers
Doesn't look like it works with the email messages though. Contacts and other things are easy to move over, even if you just had to re-create them. Moving the mail is a different story.macresource said:http://scriptbuilders.net/files/exportimportentourage1.3.9.html
A collection of over 50 scripts to export and import almost everything - Contacts, Groups, Calendar Events, Tasks, Notes, Messages, Folders, Accounts, Signatures, Mailing Lists and Categories - from one identity of Entourage X or 2004 to any other, to and from Entourage 2001, and to transfer Contacts, Calendar, Tasks and Notes to and from other PIM programs on the Mac and Windows, with special converters for Microsoft OUTLOOK, Excel and other programs.
Release Notes: v1.3.9 is for both Entourage 2004 and Entourage X, and will work in Tiger OS 10.4, Panther OS 10.3 and Jaguar OS 10.2. v1.3.9 fixes bugs in several of the Excel scripts (see Version Info doc for details). In addition, all the converter scripts from Entourage to Outlook or "Others" had a bug which would occur only in the very rare case if your Finder as installed by OS 10.3 or 10.4 is unscriptable.