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basic OS functionality will NOT be affected. whether or not some of the advanced parts of Quartz Extreme will work will have to be seen however. Things like transparent windows showing a DVD playing through them, the super screen zoom effect, and some other really intense visual effects. 10.2...

There's a program called pic2icon that if you drag'n'drop a picture file onto, it creates a custom icon of that picture, with transparency, etc. get it here (http://www.sugarcubesoftware.com/sw/index.php?pic2icon)

Well, basically, the way PCI slots are desinged, even on a faster 66MHz slot, you can only get a certain amount of bandwidth through the board. something on the order of about 500/sec. Which, really, is a lot. But it isn't enough for Quartz Extreme, the new graphics rendering engine for 10.2...

This is some shit: I've got a beige G3 that i tossed in a 433MHz processor, a chunk of ram, and put in an a/v card and maxed out the onboard vram - so as of now, its a dual monitor setup. i'm buying another radeon 7000 for it - that's two more. I'll have quad-monitor setup!!!! p0\/\/eR...

I had X on my beige G3 (upgraded to 433 MHz G3) and it was horrendous. Granted, I only have the stock 2MB vram, and I plan on adding a Radeon 7000 eventually, but it really was just LACKING. Using Classic especially. But it sounds like 10.1.5 is promising ... I can't believe Apple released...

Wow bling sounds like you're really coming along w/ the Mac stuff :) great to hear! I'd recommend the Radeon 7000 for your video card. Best PCI graphics card for the Mac, hands down. Technically you will still be limited to the VRAM on the mobo if you're using the stock video port (but...

Yeah I've heard about that. I'd love to see them take the Chimera codebase under their wing and really "Macs" it out. I'd love to see them ressurrect Cyberdog :) anyone remember Cyberdog?

And i haven't had any problems at all, period. Love the card. I just wish it was AGP (sigh). I'm stuck w/ PCI graphix till i buy a new Mac :`(

From what I can see, 10.2 is going to be the way to go for these older machines. Not only (from what I hear) will OpenGL and QuickTime render far faster, the overall speed improvements and network improvements will make 10.2 a "must-have" for all OS X capable Mac owners. honestly, I had 10.1...

Check out Other World Computing for good prices on great upgrades. I'd stick in a FireWire/USB card, a 16MB video card (or the new 32MB Radeon 7000 if you can part w/ $100), a few more megs of VRAM for the onboard video (that way you'll have killer dual-monitor capabilities), and a G3 upgrade...

What is the "control" video device? Would that be the A/V card in the Beige G3s? I just picked one up for my desktop beige g3 and i know it doesn't currently work in OS X... but perhaps in 10.2. It would be a shame to have to boot into 9 to use the thing.

i was wondering if anyone had tried 10.2 on older "unsupported" hardware. I have to say, I was pleasantly surprised by the performance of X on my 8600. I mean, obviously, QuickTime and 3D were a no-go (as they would be on an original iMac, beige G3, etc.), but the OS itself wasn't too bad...

y'know i've actually been thinking that it is NOT iChat. But keep in mind what Steve said at the shareholder meeting about videoconferencing: "Stay Tuned." So you're right, this probably ISN'T iChat, but something else new and cool. And its definitely Apple, as it has a nice big fat Apple...

Dana is gorgeous. But i'd make sure she washed her hands before coitus.

nope. it's definitely iChat. Its a brushed-metal interface slightly reminiscent of iTunes, with a clearly worded portion uptop reading: "Video Conference: Connection Initiated" it was beautiful.

but it'll probably be a couple days. my 8600 isn't plugged in right now ...

I love VW's. Great cars all around. I kinda wonder how many other Macheads are also VW freaks. I'd be willing to bet a fair amount. Anyone else care to expound?

So when Agent Dogget and Rayus (actually i don't know if that's right, personally i think the show sucks w/out duchovny) were video chatting w/ Scully across the country, guess what they were using? iChat on Mac OS 10.2. Got it on tape, freezeframed on Scully's side of the convo, and...

If you are buying for an AGP machine, go for the Radeon 8500. The 7000 is PCI and more than likely will not benefit as much from Quartz Extreme. Which makes me sad, cuz I bought one hoping it would help OS X's performance :(

but we made a nickel after they gave us $30 off Mac OS X 10.0 :) Cuz the beta only cost us $29.95.